Bringing pressure on a bad vendor
So how do you bring pressure on a company that has sold you a bad product and won't stand behind it?
What follows is not legal advice. It does not take into account the specific facts of your situation, it is not tailored for any particular state's laws or procedures, and you should not assume that any assertion that appears to state a legal rule has been researched for conformity with current law.
The first thing to do is to decide what it will take to satisfy you.This might be a solution to a problem, it might be a refund, it might be something else. If you don't know what you want, if you can't explain why it's reasonable that you should get it, and if you don't ask for it, you won't get it.
From there, you can push on several pressure points:
- More senior people in the support organization
- The corporate executives
- The corporate counsel
- The corporate ombudsman
- The company that owns this company
- The shareholders
- The web (your own website)
- The web (other websites)
- Journalists
- Magazines that have endorsed this product
- Other individuals who endorsed or recommended this product
- Consumer protection agencies: Better Business Bureau
- Consumer protection agencies: Other private organizations
- Consumer protection agencies: County-level mediators and investigators
- Consumer protection agencies: State-level regulators and investigators
- Consumer protection agencies: Federal
- Litigation: Sue them in small claims court
- Litigation: Sue them in a more formal court
- Don't fire all of your bullets at once. I prefer to start with a little pressure and add a little more every week or so.
- Do the easiest things first. Be considerate of your own time and aggravation.
- Do some research on the web. Google is your friend. Find out how other people have handled their complaints with this company, what worked and what didn't.
- Don't ever threaten to do anything. This can be misconstrued as extortion.Or as blowhard bluffing.
- Be factual and polite in all of your communications. If you are rude, if you use abusive language, if you raise your voice, you weaken your own negotiating position.
On May 30, I reached several conclusions about Alienware's support. (These are my personal value judgments. Someone else might have come to other conclusions.) I concluded that Alienware's support group was not going to fix the problems with my computer. I concluded that they were willing to spend (waste) an unlimited amount of my time in the process. I concluded that I no longer trusted the individuals I was dealing with. And based on what I saw as a pattern of similar reports on the Net, I concluded that I didn't trust Alienware. I would take my complaint through the Alienware chain of command, but I expected to resolve it through external pressure and I prepared for that.
I considered my situation.
- What did I want from Alienware? I would have been happy, at the end of May, with a fast refund or a replacement computer that worked. I was willing to pay some extra money for a replacement system that was configured substantially differently (dual processors rather than a video coprocessor card). But I also knew that with the passage of time, as I lost more productivity (because my system was down) and as I burned off more time negotiating, my position would change because my costs had changed. Eventually, Alienware did offer to replace my system, giving me full credit ($5000) toward any other Alienware system that I wanted to order. But they did this so late that I was no longer willing to do business with them.
- Another thing I decided was that I could not afford to lose productivity forever. At some point (soon), whether Alienware and I had reached agreement or not, I was going to have to get a working computer. I didn't set a time frame for buying a replacement computer from another vendor but I did start thinking seriously about what machine I would buy and how I could afford it. (Eventually, I did buy a replacement machine. That changed my negotiating position with Alienware because after that, Alienware could not satisfy me by fixing or replacing their defective computer. I needed one computer that worked, not two. At that point, all Alienware could offer was a refund for the system (which they eventually paid) and reimbursement of my other expenses (which they did not).)
- I also considered adding consequences. I decided was that I would give Alienware some additional opportunities to change my bad impression of them but if they didn't, I would invest time over and above what it took to get a refund, to make my problems with Alienware public and encourage other people with problems to improve the effectiveness of their efforts to get redress.
So, let's look at the pressure points again.
- More senior people in the support organization. I worked with Mo, and according to Larry, the next level up for complaints was president@alienware.com. As I described in my previous posts, my experiences with Mo were unsatisfactory.
- The corporate executives. I asked Mo for the name and address of Alienware's president, but all he gave me in response was "president@alienware.com." I saw that as an eloquent failure to provide information. Writing to president@alienware.com became a task I would do in parallel with other efforts to get redress from Alienware rather than being a task I would do before taking my problems to external people and organizations..
- The corporate counsel. A brief, polite letter of complaint to a company's corporate counsel speaks eloquently. I would expect a letter to the company's agent for service to reach their lawyer. By sending the letter to this legal agent of the corporation, without ever using the word "lawsuit," you are saying that you are considering suing the company, you know how to reach them, and you know something about legal process.
- The corporate ombudsman. A corporate ombudsman is an executive who investigates complaints that people have with his company and works to achieve a fair settlement. It's often a challenge to find out whether a company has an ombudsman or who it is--if you know enough to find the ombudsman, you know enough to be taken seriously. Several companies provide the Federal Citizen Information Center with contact information for an ombudsman or other person who sophisticated customers, consumer advocates or regulators should contact to resolve a consumer dispute. Alienware doesn't have a contact on this list, but many other companies do. As a general rule, when you have a problem with a company that isn't resolved through normal channels, this is a great list to check next.
- The company that owns this company. Suppose BigCompany owns SmallerCompany and your gripe is with SmallerCompany. Sometimes, the best way to bring pressure on SmallerCompany is to write a letter of complaint to BigCompany's president, who sends it back to SmallerCompany with a note saying "Maybe you'd like to take care of this."
- The shareholders. Alienware is a privately held corporation so this isn't a tactic I would use with them. But imagine being grumpy with a publicly traded corporation. Now imagine buying a share in the company. Buy a few more for your friends. Go to a company (shareholder's) meeting and protest at the meeting. You (and your shareholding friends) can circulate a letter of complaint. You can speak at the meeting. Send a before-the-meeting copy of your letter to the company's president (or to its Directors--you're a shareholder, so you can call the company and get contact info for the directors). Be careful about your wording. You don't want to say, "Pay me or I'll circulate this at your meeting" -- well, maybe you do want to say that, but don't. It's too easy to interpret this as extortion (blackmail). Instead, say something like, "I'm writing this note as a courtesy to let you know that I plan to circulate this memo at the shareholder's meeting. Please advise me of any procedures I am expected to follow (a) to circulate the letter to my fellow shareholders and (b) to speak on this matter at the meeting." That's not a threat, it's a request for information about your rights as a shareholder. Of course, the response might be to solve your problem before the meeting, but that's their decision, not something you demanded under threat .
- The web (your own website). You're reading this blog. A lot of people have read this blog. Most companies don't like it when lots of prospective customers read bad things about how the company does business. If you do create a protest site, take care with your facts. If you make false claims about the company or its practices, you could get into a lot of trouble.
- The web (other websites). Do a google on "alienware sucks" or "alienware problems" and you'll find web pages with long lists of customer complaints. Add yours.
- Journalists. Several journalists write consumer protection articles. Some work for magazines, some for newspapers, some for television statements, and some are freelancers.
Show some consideration dealing with these folks. Approach one at a time, ask them whether they're interested. If one agrees to follow up, leave it with her for several days.Imagine if your journalist worked on your complaint, started writing up his report, and then read about it in some other magazine--she might be pretty grumpy about wasting time trying to help you. Before I would take this to any other journalist or write complaint letters to the editor of any magazine, I would check with the first journalist who agreed to investigate. This is a basic courtesy that I would extend to any journalist in this situation. There's a time limit to this courtesy, but as long as I believe the journalist is actively investigating, I'll keep it exclusive to that person if that's how she wants to work it. In my case,I took my story to Ed Foster at InfoWorld's GripeLine. Ed was a serious and respected technology journalist and editor long before he started doing consumer protection work. He has a lot of connections and he's a really nice guy. So I sent him a note describing my problem, he agreed to look into it, and his report is here.
Journalists aren't always well-treated by companies--even people as credible and respected as Ed. Here's how Alienware treated Ed Foster:
I contacted Alienware a few weeks ago to ask if they could explain their support policies in this regard, and their spokesperson said they would get back to me. They haven't, and my subsequent calls have gone unreturned.To me, this is outrageous, the kind of report that motivates me to keep this blog going.
- Magazines that have endorsed this product. According to Alienware's web page, Smart Computing reports that "Alienware easily beat all the competitors we tested in this category [Customer Support]" I read that survey. That survey is one of the reasons I bought from Alienware. I'll never trust another Smart Computing survey again. Alienware lists lots of favorable reviews. If you had a problem with Alienware that they wouldn't resolve, it would be fair game to write every one of those magazines describing your situation--especially if their endorsements helped you make your buying decision.
- Other individuals who endorsed or recommended this product. Alienware lists other people who've agreed to publication of their testimonials of how wonderful their Alienware computers are. You could write them too. Suppose you endorsed a product. How many complaint letters from other customers would it take before you started thinking about withdrawing your endorsement?
- Consumer protection agencies: Better Business Bureau. Alienware's in Miami, so you should check the BBB in Southeast Florida. Alienware is a member of the BBB, which means (among other things) that they have agreed to take seriously all consumer complaints filed against them with the BBB. File a complaint here.
- Consumer protection agencies: Other private organizations. I don't think Alienware advertises a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, but if they did, you could complain to them. You might file a complaint with Consumer Action--they mediate many disputes. Also consider complaining to the Consumer Federation of America, the National Consumers League and the U.S. Public Interest Research Group. These groups won't help you with your specific complaint, but patterns of complaints influence their legislative and regulatory agendas. If we had better enforcement of deceptive-trade-practice laws, I think we would have fewer consumer disputes of the kind I had with Alienware.
- Consumer protection agencies: County-level mediators and investigators. Several counties have agencies that mediate consumers' disputes with businesses. The mediators are often trained volunteers--for example, I was a part-time volunteer investigator / mediator for the Santa Clara County Department of Consumer Affairs for almost two years, before I went to law school. Some of these agencies stand alone, others are affiliated with the District Attorney's office. If your county has such an agency (many have been defunded over the past 20 years), you can file your complaint with them. But if you're complaining about an out-of-state company, your county's agency will probably coordinate with the agency in that state. For example, if you were complaining about Alienware, you could complain directly to the Miami, Florida county-level agency that would normally deal with Alienware, which I would expect to be the Miami-Dade County Consumer Services Department. For a listing of all of the county agencies in the USA, go to the Federal Citizen Information Center's page on State Resources.
- Consumer protection agencies: State-level regulators and investigators. At the state level, you normally complain to the Attorney-General's office. If I was considering complaining about Alienware to state level regulators or prosecutors, I would consider filing a complaint alleging deceptive trade practices to the Florida Attorney General's office or asking for help from the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services. In my specific case, I would consider a third angle--because I don't think that Alienware was living up to its service contract, and because Florida treats many service contracts as insurance, I might try a complaint with the Office of Insurance Regulation.For resources in other states, check the Federal Citizen Information Center's page on State Resources.
- Consumer protection agencies: Federal. The obvious federal agency is the Federal Trade Commission. The 30-day rule (a business must advise the consumer if a product will be delivered more than 30 days after it was ordered, and get the consumer's permission or let the consumer cancel the order) and the federal rules against deceptive trade practices are enforced by the FTC. The FTC doesn't usually involve itself in mediating individual complaints, but patterns of complaints influence its decisions about what types of crimes to prosecute and who to prosecute. If you were the victim of false advertising (or any other crime) and the U.S. Mail was used in any way in the process, you can also complain to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service for mail fraud.
- Litigation: Sue them in small claims court. I think the Nolo Press guide to small claims court is the best nationwide source available. The rules differ from state to state. Some states offer excellent guides to their small claims courts, for free. Some counties offer free advice for people bringing small claims cases in their county. A few even have classes where you can go through the procedure and get feedback from the instructor. One question is whether you can sue Alienware in your county or state (if it's not Florida) because Alienware is a Florida corporation. Maybe not. You might have to travel to Florida to sue them.
- Litigation: Sue them in a more formal court. In a small claims case, you would represent yourself. (Alienware can still send its lawyer, who probably knows a lot more about running a lawsuit than you do) whereas in the more formal courts, you would almost certainly hire an attorney. The costs of these trials are significant--court fees are cheap but legal time and costs of "discovery" (the formal process of investigation and document review) are significant. A basic, simple no-injury car accident that actually makes it to trial probably costs about $20,000. You're probably not going to bring a $5000 dispute to these courts. UNLESS. Unless you sue for violation of a deceptive trade practice law or an unfair competition law or some other consumer protection law in your state and your state's version of these laws is that the defendant (Alienware, if you sue them) pays your legal fees if they lose the case. A few lawyers handle cases like this. Many of them would combine cases, bringing a "class action" (a lawsuit that represents many people) to cover everyone who was cheated in the same way(s). Usually, these lawyers work on contingency, you pay them if and only if you win the lawsuit and you pay them only a share of the recovery from the suit, not from your own savings).
Unfortunately, it gets harder every year to find lawyers who are willing to bring consumer fraud or other consumer protection lawsuits. The work isn't all that profitable, the lawyers who do it are constantly villified (often by the companies who most deserved to be sued and the politicians who take big campaign donations from these companies), and the courts are constantly rewriting consumer protection laws to make it harder to bring cases to court or harder to win them. The last 25 years have been very, very tough on your rights as a consumer and on your ability to enforce them in court--which (I believe) is why there is so much consumer fraud today.
- I worked with the tech support staff. That failed so badly that I decided to bring external pressure to bear.
- I contacted a journalist, knowing it would take him a while to investigate and publish.
- I wrote a letter of complaint to president@alienware.com asking for a full refund.
- The same day I posted the letter, I started working on this blog.
- A few days after that, I started posting links to this blog in other we-re-having-trouble-with-Alienware pages or discussions.
If Alienware had waited a day or two longer before offering the refund, I would have filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.
A couple days after that complaint went in, I would have filed complaints with the Federal Trade Commission and the Florida state-level agencies. I might have filed with the Miami-Dade Consumer Services Department or I might have waited a few days before filing that one.
Next planned stop was to the TV stations and local newspapers for their consumer watch shows or columns.
Your order of tasks might have been different. Remember my first two tactical tips:
- Don't fire all of your bullets at once. I prefer to start with a little pressure and add a little more every week or so.
- Do the easiest things first. Be considerate of your own time and aggravation.
(Is this my last posting by the way? I doubt it. Stay tuned for a page that asks, if you were considering bringing a lawsuit against Alienware for problems like the ones I've described in this alienwaresucks blog, what legal grounds (causes of action) might you consider as the bases for your lawsuit? That page might not be up for several days. I want to do some more reading and thinking before I start the final draft of it.)



60 Comments:
At 2:26 PM,
Julio said…
My name is Julio and I also bought a computer AREA 51m 766 from Alienware. Your blog has brought much enlightment. Although my gaurantee has expired Ilve decide to apply a little pressure by sending an e mail of disaproval to their support e-mail.
At 10:01 AM,
Eric said…
My name is Eric and I just bought an alienware myself in July. While surfing internet the thing lost power and started smoking. I thought it was from my HOT personality...lol. Unfrortunately I haven't been able to do anything except contact customer service through email. When I get home next week I will be starting my adventure in getting a refund or a new laptop. Wish me luck and I will keep you all posted.
At 6:29 PM,
JOHNNYBOY said…
WHY A SHAM.. I PURCHASED THIS AREA 51 UNIT FROM MY BRO IN LAW..HE LOST THE KEY FOR THE FRONT CHASSIS..I CALLED AND WANTED TO BUY A REPLACEMENT KEY..THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD NOT TALK TO ME BECAUSE I AM A 3RD PARTY PURCHASER...THE WARRANTY WAS NO LONGER IN EFFECT..DUH...I WANT TO BUY A KEY..THEY WOULD NOT TAKE MY CALL
At 7:56 AM,
dave said…
hi, I bought a laptop from these guys and one day I closed the lid down and the plastic catch broke off.......when I called them they tried to tell me that I should have pushed the catch out when closing the lid duh!
I dont have time or energy to waste on idiots like this so will just never buy anything from them again. I guess I'll go back to HP next time as they have effective customer service. alienware should give lessons on how to lose customers, they do it very well.
At 7:33 PM,
Russell said…
Hi, i spent 4,500 on an alienware laptop as well, ordered it via customer service agent, told him explicitely what i wanted to do with it which was basically hook it up to a t.v. and record shows since i dont have much time to watch them myself, bought cables to do so, and all sorts of grand things, after i recieved the laptop it seems that the catv and s-video in ports were all turned off because i didnt have an internal tv-tuner card...when i called alienware and told them look this was one of the primary things i was going to use this laptop for they didnt know about/sell/support an internal t.v. tuner card, i called them and told them i'd like to return my laptop since i had only had it for less than 5 days, the primary reason i bought it is disabled and i was very upset, however they told me i was going to have to pay them 15% of the cost of the laptop and everything i bought...i asked to speak with someone who could do something about that, they told me there is no one in the company that can refund my total purchase price for a laptop and parts i didnt order... i called them every day, attempted to talk to higher ups and was basically stonewalled, promised calls from supervisers that never came. untill now my 30 days are well up, and i am still unsatisfied, i want a full refund and will be trying the steps in your blog. i'm also very interested in your lawsuit poll, because i would love to be a part of that. Thanks again for all your informations
At 12:24 PM,
Johnrogan said…
In 2003 I bought an Alienware Area 51m laptop for $3600. I didn't have it for more than a day when the machine suddenly would not boot up. I called costomer service and we determined that the hard drive had failed. They sent me a return ticket to send the sysyem back to them so it could be repaired. I did so, and it was returned to me a few weeks later. All was well until later on in the year when I tried to play City of Heroes. Everytime I played the game it would sieze up. Sometimes after a few minutes, Sometimes after a few hours. I determined that the video card drive was outdated. I had updated it before a few months after I bought it and when I checked the website for a new driver, I found that the previous update that I had install was the only one available. I called customer service and was told that my laptop was no longer supported in favor of the new model. So what am I supposed to do I asked. The rep pretty much said "Buy a new one". It was hard to understand him though since he had a thick Russian accent. BUY A NEW SYSTEM. I decided to take matters into my own hands. I discovered a set of third-party driver suite called Omega. These drivers are updated frequently. I installed the most recent version and all my video card problems disappeared. Of course if alienware found out I'm sure they would void my warranty. One last problem I had was that this particular model has it's intake fan on the bottom of the machine and the exhaust vents are fairly narrow. This can cause the vents to get clogged with dust bunnies. This can be solved easily with a can of Dust-Off. The dust build-up restricts the airflow and causes the system to overheat. There is a failsafe that abruptly shuts the machine off. It's never healthy for the machine to get slammed like that and for gamer like me it can be really annoying. So yeah not getting another alienware ever again. The desktop I have now is homegrown. I have had no problems with it and even with all top of line parts it was $1300 cheaper that the laptop.
At 8:34 PM,
Jeff said…
It's too bad, because Alienware is just the street from both of us.
I bought a dhs2 media center pc a year ago. delivery date was 3 weeks late, had re-ocurring video card issues and power supply failed 1 week after warranty expired. This past week I spent 2 days on the phone with 7 different "customer/tech service" reps, having to describe the issues each time. Finally they said send it back and we'll look at it, but it will cost you a minimum of $750. $750 for a $50 power supply! The CS/tech reps were mindless drones reading from scripts, and unable to think on their own. I finally convinced someone that sending the unit back was not an option, and to sell me a power supply for $80. I installed the power supply in 45 minutes, got the machine running unloaded all important files and shut it down for good. I now have a $3,500 boat anchor. I am pulling off a few useable components and building my own media server. Stay away from Alienware. Support is worthless - and you will have to use it someday.
PS. the DHS2 power supply is proprietory - it can't be replaced unless you go through Alienware.
It's too bad, because Alienware is just the street from both of us.
At 8:36 PM,
Jeff said…
I bought a dhs2 media center pc a year ago. delivery date was 3 weeks late, had re-ocurring video card issues and power supply failed 1 week after warranty expired. This past week I spent 2 days on the phone with 7 different "customer/tech service" reps, having to describe the issues each time. Finally they said send it back and we'll look at it, but it will cost you a minimum of $750. $750 for a $50 power supply! The CS/tech reps were mindless drones reading from scripts, and unable to think on their own. I finally convinced someone that sending the unit back was not an option, and to sell me a power supply for $80. I installed the power supply in 45 minutes, got the machine running unloaded all important files and shut it down for good. I now have a $3,500 boat anchor. I am pulling off a few useable components and building my own media server. Stay away from Alienware. Support is worthless - and you will have to use it someday.
PS. the DHS2 power supply is proprietory - it can't be replaced unless you go through Alienware.
It's too bad, because Alienware is just the street from both of us.
At 4:40 PM,
DAR1 said…
I had no idea Alienware SUCKED so much! I was considering buying a machine from them but luckly I ran across this blog.I went so far as to sign up for their e-mail ads so that I would be up to speed with their latest hardware. So now I'm forgetting about Alienware and am now looking into a machine made by a company called "Widow".Thank You for taking the time and considerable amount of effort to let the public know how dispicable Alienware has treated you and ,as I'm finding out , so many others.
At 11:18 AM,
Karen said…
I wish I had seen this blog sooner. I purchased a 4000.00 laptop from Alienware in December.
First, they shipped it to me a month later than promised with no communicationwith me in the interum. So, 10 days ago it came and by the second day I had it the problems started. It would freeze and reboot randomly. It would not start at all with the battery. I called support and they told me to reformat it. When I tried to reload windows it would not keep running long enough to load. I called support again and they wanted me to take out a screw driver and take the machine apart. I refused. I spent one entire afternoon on the phone with different reps from the company. They all said the same thing. One rep said that they only sell high end machines and they expect the buyer to know how to take aprt a computer. That was not part of the sales pitch. I have sent the machine back for repairs but have no idea when I will ever get it. After reading your blog I feel a little sick.
At 5:48 AM,
Andy Clark said…
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this website!!! I am stuck in the middle of the Pacific with a broken backlight and I have been getting nothing but run arounds and misdirection from Alienware! Moreover, I don't even know why! I told them in all of the emails that I am willing to pay for both the shipping AND the repair!!! This is more money in their pocket!
At 5:51 AM,
Andy Clark said…
Hey! I purchased an Alienware system last July and it has worked well all year, but I made the "fatal" error of putting it into standby mode and taking it to class... Now I my backlight is burnt out? No big deal, eh? Not when you live on an island of 500 hundred, 360km off the coast of Japan! All I have been getting from Alienware is the total run-around and misdirection... To make matters worse, I have no idea why!!! I have told them in every email that I am willing to pay for the shipping AND the repair!!! Ok, well if ANYONE can help me, I would really appreciate it! Thanks!
At 4:00 PM,
Mark said…
Does anyone know how to contact Eric? Or if his problem was resolved? I've got the same problem and am wondering what kind of motherboard he has?
At 11:14 PM,
Kyle Korleski said…
Trust me gentlemen, things are about to get a lot worse. Alienware was bought by Dell, with a horrible reputation for sucky support.
This should bring Alienware into a worse light than it currently is.
At 3:05 PM,
Peabodyfunkwyler said…
out of the box the laptop was defective. USB drivers were not installed properly, kept getting raid error messages. Upon shutdown it would randomly emit a beep code. I spent over 12hrs with tech support who had me dissect the laptop and perform various test. Some problems fixed but for the most part still did not work properly. A technician at Alienware referred me to a utility to test the heat of the CPU (fx 60 dual core) and found it to be running at 80 degrees Celsius . After referring to AMD’s website for optimal operating temperatures. I discovered that anything above 70 degrees Celsius voids the warranty of the chip and causes great damage to silicon threads in the CPU (fx 60 dual core). Alienwares website also post those temperatures to be damaging for the the CPU (fx 60 dual core). The video card (Quadro FX GO 1400) runs extremely hot too. Causing the Audigy ZS sound card to overheat and perform irregularly. We have contacted then and asked for a replacement laptop and was told that was not a option. We then asked for refund and were told that was not a option. Alienware the sent out a technician to address the heating problem he applied thermal gel and reseated the CPU it ran cooler than before but still above what AMD recommends for the CPU (fx 60 dual core) the work order he wrote up stated that the system was beyond repair and should be replaced. We then called Alieware to speak with them about the findings. The Customer support and tech support said the only option we had was to send it to them. But the were no guarantees that they would replace the CPU (fx 60 dual core) which is my main concern due to the fact tha it was running at damaging temperatures for excess of 2 weeks. We would appreciate any help in thus matter
At 1:47 AM,
David said…
Oh My God!!!!!
If my wife and I could meet you, we'd give you a great big hug! We were hours away from purchasing a "configured" Alienware m7700 for +$4000. No way!!!
If the stories on this site and several others we found are true, it's one of the biggest farces we've ever read about.
So -- any suggestions on what we really should buy.
At 4:24 PM,
Matthew said…
I know nothing about computers, all I know is that I have been having problems with World of Warcraft for months now so I bought and alienware to solve the problem. After taking over a month to get the machine and being stuck at point 4 for almost a month I got the machine. No worries, because I was super stoked to play WoW and have it finally work. After 30 minutes of putting on software like mozilla and WoW, I was ready to play. What happens? The comp hangs on the startup screen. So I am furious, I had the machine for one day and it didn't even work. So I called Cust. support. They told me I couldn't send it back to be repaired until I talked to Tech Support. Yeah right, I'm not going to waste my time trying to fix a computer that didn't work out of the box. Finally they coerce me into talking to Tech Support and I waste 4 hours being walked through troubleshooting that a 5th grader would know to do. They had me try my onboard graphics card which had a different problem with the game. Instead of hanging it would just restart the machine when the into screen came on. So then I finally get the ok to send it back. I wait over 2 weeks and then I call to check the status of the system and they tell me that it is 'ready to begin diagnostics' so I am furious and I tell them to keep the damn machine and to give me my money back. So after getting the run around from cust support they agree. Yesterday I got a package from alienware. It turns out that it is my computer. So I'm all excited because I was sure that it was going be fixed and that I would keep it because thats what I paid for in the first place. So it turns out that it has the exact same problems and that it hasnt been fixed at all. They said that they changed the motherboard and that it was fixed. BS. So then I call Cust Service and I am absolutely furious because I told them to keep it and I didn't want to pay for shipping as I was already paying a 300 dollar restocking fee. So basically they told me that I was an idiot and that I had two options, paying everything and getting a part refund or going through 'steps' to fix and troubleshoot the machine. I am furious! Alienware is the crappiest corporation I have ever dealt with in my life.
At 8:44 PM,
Barbara said…
I just bought an Area 51m laptop for my son to take to college. It was defective out of the box. My son spent hours with tech support but they insisted that he take the hard drives out and reload programs one at a time. We know very little about repairing computers in our family and refused to self diagnose to that extent. Not to mention we have a life besides computers and there is a limit to the number of hours we are willing to spend on self-diagnosing. I had to fight with the customer support person (I use that term loosely) the next day when she threatend that the warranty would be void if we did not further diagnose the problem after spending 10 hours with the manual and 2 hours with tech support where they conceded that one or both hard drives were defective. I had to get very insistent and demanded that we be allowed to mail the computer back for Alienware to fix it, not us. I could not believe their insistence that we spend hours trying to further diagnose a problem when they already conceded must be one or two defective hard drives. What was most infuriating is that they would not mail me the label to return the computer until I called back the next day even though they had all of my information. It was clearly my punishment for refusing to continue with the endless self-diagnosing. The computer has now been in Alienware's repair center for 4 weeks and they still do not have the parts to repair it yet - a brand new computer! When I called and insisted that they just give me back my money they said they would but with a 15% fee deducted. This company is unbelievable! My business has always used Dell or HP computers and we have never had such slow response when a product broke, and if a brand new computer was defective out of the box they would have mailed a new one ASAP. People are crazy to deal with this company. They have no concept of customer service and customer satisfaction.
At 12:48 PM,
C-note said…
I have to admit, I was thrilled when my alienware 7700 laptop arived. I thought... that was $3600 well spent. However after only a few days I noticed that media center had problems, which I gave up trying to resolve with tech support. A few months pass and the CD burner fails. It won't read anything, the motor doesn't even spin up. Get it replaced after 3 hours on tech support. The new one isn't even a new part, it still has the mounting tab from another laptop on it. It fails after 7 days. QSCI makes terrible cd burners apparently. The second time I spent another 3 hours on support when I new the drive was bad... it had just failed on me the same way. The new part is a pioneer burner, which appears to be decent. Wait 2 more months and the card reader on the side fails. Try everything under the sun, call tech support. Another 4 hours gone and seriously what is it with all the static in their phone system, I called from a land line even in case it was my cell phone. 4 hours of static and repeating space noise will give you a migraine. So now I have to send the laptop in... 3 week turn around. This thing is my media center and I live alone in my apartment... no media... 3 weeks. My warantee expires this august one year from when I purchased it. Then I think the real trouble will begin. If only you could build your own laptops... I think I might be willing to settle for a desktop and just give up on mobile systems.
At 8:30 AM,
eve said…
My name is Evelyn, and my tale with Alienware support is much the same as everyone elses on this site, that I have taken to trying to repair the computer myself. Anyone considering this product should be made aware of the issues with support. I wish I had read your blog sooner. After reading your blog, I think I will do the repairs myself, considering I am find places that I can get the parts for the 5100 I have
At 8:19 PM,
James_Miller said…
As you all know by now, I'm sure, Alienware has been purchased by Dell Inc. Now I have read all that was on this site not because I have had any problems, but I wasn't how bad the problems could be with Alienware products. I own two of the highest end Alienwares avaliable and three of the highest end Dell computers avaliable and I have never had a problem ever in their respective operations. I have noticed that buying a computer is all about luck and also "sometimes" you only get what you pay for. My theory for the 24 years I have owned personal computers is "The more you pay the better the experience!" I wish you all better luck in the future and I want to remind you if you think that any other company wouldn't treat you like Alienware, I believe you are mistaken. These companies are out there to making money and because of "techy" people like us, they are making a lot of it
At 8:44 PM,
max2extreme said…
Thanks for your blog. I too am going to put pressure on the company for a problem that has been going on for over a year now. The last straw was when I had been talking to customer support to change some information so I can get my part delivered, and after being on the phone with them for 30 mins, they said "I'm sorry, I need my supervisor's approval and it is now 7pm and he is walking out the door. Im sorry my shift is now over as well..." I will let you know how it turns out.
-Chris
At 8:33 PM,
Amorphis said…
I've owned several Alienware computers, had a major technical issues that was handled quickly and with no cost to myself. I've yet to encounter a company that builds a computer with the same upgradability (e.g. no proprietary components or cooling), fast support, or low price (I compared each Alienware system piece for piece [or as close as possible] to the price of a Dell, Gateway, and Falcon Northwest machine and Alienware turned out to be the cheaper, by several hundred dollars).
Seach for Dell sucks, and you'll see more complaints. Which should not be suprising. Dell sells more units, which leads to more problems. I would argue that Alienware's end-users may tend to be more vocal, as they tend to be more knowledgeable than the average Dell customer.
Keep in mind that horror stories make good reading and worthwhile posting on the internet. There isn't much purpose is posting a positive message about a company. You pay for and should recieve good service.
At 10:25 PM,
justboughtamac said…
I bought an Alienware Area-51m laptop in August 2004. Six months later, it set itself on fire and burned down my dorm room. I ordered a new laptop, exactly like the old one, and it ended up cheaper than the first laptop I bought. Alienware decided to skirt the issue of its computer exploding and didn't charge my credit card for the new laptop. The new Area-51m arrived in March 2005, and by January 2006 the LCD screen and motherboard had gone bad. I shipped it back to Alienware, which took its sweet time to fix, and got it back 3 weeks later. It worked up until August 2006, when the hard drive decided to detach itself from the rest of the laptop. After 3 hours of "award-winning customer support," the agent informs me that the 1-year warranty has expired. I had purchased the 3-year warranty for the first Area-51m, but apparently I wasn't allowed to have the 3-year warranty for the replacement laptop. Needless to say, I'm very interested in your lawsuit poll and will be frequenting your blog for putting pressure on this awful company.
At 1:20 PM,
Protongeek said…
Hey guys -
Wow I thought that I was the only one having issues fixing my freinds alienware M7700. Personally I was thinking about buying one for myself until his problem came about. My buddies laptop had 2 hdd that went bad and were out of warranty. Which is fine I offered to fix it for him if he got me the drives or drive. He did. After installing the in hdd drive in the laptop I decided to load the OS. That was impossible! Why ? Because Alienwares website has no drivers listed for his system. I can't even determine what video card is in the system let alone the sound card. They suck! After countless hours trying to find the driver for the Promise Raid card I have XP installed but once again I have no idea who the NIC is made by. Alienwares website is a joke. Support ? What support? I will defeinitely send negative emails to magazines like Maximum PC who have said how great they are.
At 10:14 PM,
sixtyfixer said…
This may be really late to post about but here it goes:
Did anyone purchase the AREA-51M Model 766 with the ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 128 Meg Video Card because you thought you would be able to upgrade the Video Card on your own? Did you later find out that Alien stopped supporting this Model and therefore there are no video cards to upgrade to?
I chose my Alienware laptop over the Dell XPS and Sager because it was advertised that I would be able to change my video card by removing a few screws. That was the selling point.
A year and a half after owning it, I tried to upgrade my video card to the ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 256 M card. I called Alienware to buy one and was told they do not support the 766 Model any more. I asked where I could get one then if not from Alienware. They couldn't tell me. I googled my self senseless looking for a 256 M card for a Model 766 Alienware Laptop. I could not find one anywhere, perhaps they don't exist.
So why would Alienware advertise how easy it would be to remove and upgrade a video card if there were no video cards to upgrade to?
Any one else experience this? Any one else remember the advertising on the Alienware web page in January 2002? I should have taken some screenshots!!
At 10:17 PM,
sixtyfixer said…
This may be really late to post about but here it goes:
Did anyone purchase the AREA-51M Model 766 with the ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 128 Meg Video Card because you thought you would be able to upgrade the Video Card on your own? Did you later find out that Alien stopped supporting this Model and therefore there are no video cards to upgrade to?
I chose my Alienware laptop over the Dell XPS and Sager because it was advertised that I would be able to change my video card by removing a few screws. That was the selling point.
A year and a half after owning it, I tried to upgrade my video card to the ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 256 M card. I called Alienware to buy one and was told they do not support the 766 Model any more. I asked where I could get one then if not from Alienware. They couldn't tell me. I googled my self senseless looking for a 256 M card for a Model 766 Alienware Laptop. I could not find one anywhere, perhaps they don't exist.
So why would Alienware advertise how easy it would be to remove and upgrade a video card if there were no video cards to upgrade to?
Any one else experience this? Any one else remember the advertising on the Alienware web page in January 2002? I should have taken some screenshots!!
At 12:20 AM,
J. said…
hi,
My Alienware nightmare has been going on for almost a year and a half now.
I just put up my webpage about it today.
It is www.mirandom.org/alienware.html
(still under a bit of construction)
In commiseration,
Miranda
At 11:33 AM,
wsb said…
Hmmmmm....was about to purchase Laptop from Alienware..saw this site, read it, and now think it may be best to go with Dell. Dell system may not be as powerful but at least the support is good. Dell has handle many hardware issues for me in the past without issue. Stick with what you know I guess.
At 10:26 AM,
Nate said…
Yeah. I bought a computer from Alienware. I took it out of the box, and it was ok for a few days, like three or four. Then media center started fucking up and I had to reformat the computer. I tried using that fancy covered dvd/cd reboot CD. Well it didn't even work. Not to mention I paid for it. Then I used the free one they actually give you, but they don't mention that. I'm not a big technical person, where as I don't know that much about computers.
Anyways, so I reformat the computer, it works a little better. Then the next day one of the keys on the keyboard break off, because the little catch/prong deal just falls apart. So now I'm sittig here about a week after I get the computer. I've already had to reformat, and now I'm sitting here staring at a missing '0' key. I call tech support, and they tell me that they cannot replace a key. They tell me that in order to help me I need to take pictures of the keyboard because they had some sort of idea that I broke it on purpose or something. Let me tell you something, the warranty you pay for is complete SHIT. They still make you pay for everything, rarely will they fix it for you for free. They also charge you shipping of 100 dollars, I live in Florida as well, pretty close to Miami. They charged a 100 dollar shipping and packaging fee. Like I guess it's that difficult to pack that shit up in those fancy alienware boxes Huh?
But anyways, like I said, they wanted me to take PICTURES of the keyboard and send it to them, after I spent about an hour JUST describing to them what the problem was. They couldn't seem to understand that the prong was broken off. I swear to god, these people pull shit out of their ass while they're talking.
Well I eventually got off of customer support with. They wouldn't help me. They wouldn't tell me where to buy a new keyboard. And they wouldn't supply me with one. Let's keep in mind i've had the computer for only like a week now. Some warranty, it's freaking garbage.
So I browse some forums and I find that their manufactorer is Uniwill. I talk to them, I tell the guy my model number and he ships me a keyboard that he tells me will work. I get it in about a week. It doesn't work. So I sit on the phone for about an hour or two and explain to him why it won't fit. So he tells me to ship it back and they'll do an RMA. So they send me another keyboard. This one doesn't even FIT AT ALL. Now I'm pissed. I send it back, and then they send me another. Only this time I never get the keyboard after she told me she would ship it two day, despite if they recieved the second keyboard because I wanted it fast. She agreed.
So two weeks go by, and I call and ask where my keyboard is at? And she said they still hadn't recieved the second. Now I'm pissed. I told them to credit all of my money back because I didn't want any of them.
I packaged up my Alienware in it's box and I shipped it to them without even telling them. I also placed a letter in the box telling them that if they did not refund my money, they would be hearing from my attorney very shortly.
After reading all of the bad reviews about alienware, I was pissed off and very alarmed that most people had so much trouble getting their money back.
Now this is where it gets even worse.
A guy calls me the day they recieve it, September 12th. He seems very nice and he tells me that he has cancelled everything and that they will credit the money back. I'm wondering to myself why it takes a week, but I don't say anything. He also told me that I would have to pay a restocking fee. At this point, I'm willing to get back whatever I can, even though I'm letting them take 200 dollars off of me for doing nothing. So I'm pretty pleased and just satisfied my money will be going back on my card.
I wait until the 15th, and no money has returned to my card. Now I'm furious. I call them and I speak to some guy named Max. I'm pissed now and I'm definetly not letting them take a 200 dollar restocking fee. I tell them I'm done with their shit and I want all of my money back now. He puts me on hold and then he tells me that the last person I spoke to, Robert, said I agreed to the 200 dollar restocking fee. After a long time of arguing I finally agreed, and I told him I wanted my money credited back. He told me it would take a week. I said ok.
A week goes by, and it's now the 21st of September. I call and I speak to some woman named Karen. I ask her where my money is, and they said they hadn't recieved the system. THIS IS COMPLETE BULL SHIT. First of all, Robert, the first man I spoke to, had my letter in his hands. I gave her the tracking number and she was quiet for a while, then she said that I sent it back without authorization. This is where I was just completely over it. I said I spoke to TWO men, and they BOTH agreed that they were going to give my money back. I said now I want my money back. THEN SHE MADE UP MORE SHIT. She said that I cancelled it the 15th, and that it was too late now. I said NO, I cancelled it the 12th, I can even varify who I spoke to. She continued to tell me it was cancelled on the 15th. Well first of all, even the Max guy TOLD me that Robert had talked to me, how else would he have known that I agreed to pay the restocking fee? Apparently, customer service was lying to me and telling me that they were cancelling when they really weren't JUST SO I would run out of time.
Now I'm freaking pissed majorly. She wouldn't do anything. She expects me to sit there while they have my system, and not even give my money back? I don't even want the system, I don't want anything to do with them.
I told her their products were complete shit and I wanted my money back. And she kept telling me that it was cancelled the 15th like some freaking robot. And I kept telling her NO It was cancelled on the 12th. I asked to speak to someone else, and she said no one else was there. Out of the entire Alienware customer service, she's the only one sitting there? Bull shit.
She wouldn't listen. And this is where I take action. I told her Alienware will be recieving a call from my attorney by the end of the weekend. I said good luck with your products, because I'm sueing your ass.
And then I hung up on her. I also sent an e-mail to their support and told them they had the rest of the weekend to credit my money, because on monday I would be getting ready to get back my 100% paid price AND more.
Don't buy anything from Alienware, even if you got lucky and got a GOOD computer, send it back. Do not keep it. I'm warning you, these people will LEAVE you stuck with it. They will not help you, and they DON'T care about whether you are satisfied or not. They do not back their products at all. In fact, these people don't know anything about computers at all. They just sit there and read from a manual placed in front of them. Chances are it's probably the same one they sent me with my system. So basically, customer service knows just about as much as you do.
Don't get stuck with the charges of having to send it back and forth. Send that piece of shit to them and demand money back, threaten them with an attorney. And when they tell you they cancel it, check your e-mail inbox to make sure they sent you the e-mail that says it was cancelled ON THAT DAY. If not, call them and tell them they're a lying sack of shit and demand to have it cancelled again.
I wish more people would take action instead of sit there with a broken computer. You can make a difference if you put forth the effort. All companies snap, you just have to pressure them.
Send that shit back. Scream, yell, do whatever you have to, don't let these people have their way with you.
At 10:27 AM,
Nate said…
Yeah. I bought a computer from Alienware. I took it out of the box, and it was ok for a few days, like three or four. Then media center started fucking up and I had to reformat the computer. I tried using that fancy covered dvd/cd reboot CD. Well it didn't even work. Not to mention I paid for it. Then I used the free one they actually give you, but they don't mention that. I'm not a big technical person, where as I don't know that much about computers.
Anyways, so I reformat the computer, it works a little better. Then the next day one of the keys on the keyboard break off, because the little catch/prong deal just falls apart. So now I'm sittig here about a week after I get the computer. I've already had to reformat, and now I'm sitting here staring at a missing '0' key. I call tech support, and they tell me that they cannot replace a key. They tell me that in order to help me I need to take pictures of the keyboard because they had some sort of idea that I broke it on purpose or something. Let me tell you something, the warranty you pay for is complete SHIT. They still make you pay for everything, rarely will they fix it for you for free. They also charge you shipping of 100 dollars, I live in Florida as well, pretty close to Miami. They charged a 100 dollar shipping and packaging fee. Like I guess it's that difficult to pack that shit up in those fancy alienware boxes Huh?
But anyways, like I said, they wanted me to take PICTURES of the keyboard and send it to them, after I spent about an hour JUST describing to them what the problem was. They couldn't seem to understand that the prong was broken off. I swear to god, these people pull shit out of their ass while they're talking.
Well I eventually got off of customer support with. They wouldn't help me. They wouldn't tell me where to buy a new keyboard. And they wouldn't supply me with one. Let's keep in mind i've had the computer for only like a week now. Some warranty, it's freaking garbage.
So I browse some forums and I find that their manufactorer is Uniwill. I talk to them, I tell the guy my model number and he ships me a keyboard that he tells me will work. I get it in about a week. It doesn't work. So I sit on the phone for about an hour or two and explain to him why it won't fit. So he tells me to ship it back and they'll do an RMA. So they send me another keyboard. This one doesn't even FIT AT ALL. Now I'm pissed. I send it back, and then they send me another. Only this time I never get the keyboard after she told me she would ship it two day, despite if they recieved the second keyboard because I wanted it fast. She agreed.
So two weeks go by, and I call and ask where my keyboard is at? And she said they still hadn't recieved the second. Now I'm pissed. I told them to credit all of my money back because I didn't want any of them.
I packaged up my Alienware in it's box and I shipped it to them without even telling them. I also placed a letter in the box telling them that if they did not refund my money, they would be hearing from my attorney very shortly.
After reading all of the bad reviews about alienware, I was pissed off and very alarmed that most people had so much trouble getting their money back.
Now this is where it gets even worse.
A guy calls me the day they recieve it, September 12th. He seems very nice and he tells me that he has cancelled everything and that they will credit the money back. I'm wondering to myself why it takes a week, but I don't say anything. He also told me that I would have to pay a restocking fee. At this point, I'm willing to get back whatever I can, even though I'm letting them take 200 dollars off of me for doing nothing. So I'm pretty pleased and just satisfied my money will be going back on my card.
I wait until the 15th, and no money has returned to my card. Now I'm furious. I call them and I speak to some guy named Max. I'm pissed now and I'm definetly not letting them take a 200 dollar restocking fee. I tell them I'm done with their shit and I want all of my money back now. He puts me on hold and then he tells me that the last person I spoke to, Robert, said I agreed to the 200 dollar restocking fee. After a long time of arguing I finally agreed, and I told him I wanted my money credited back. He told me it would take a week. I said ok.
A week goes by, and it's now the 21st of September. I call and I speak to some woman named Karen. I ask her where my money is, and they said they hadn't recieved the system. THIS IS COMPLETE BULL SHIT. First of all, Robert, the first man I spoke to, had my letter in his hands. I gave her the tracking number and she was quiet for a while, then she said that I sent it back without authorization. This is where I was just completely over it. I said I spoke to TWO men, and they BOTH agreed that they were going to give my money back. I said now I want my money back. THEN SHE MADE UP MORE SHIT. She said that I cancelled it the 15th, and that it was too late now. I said NO, I cancelled it the 12th, I can even varify who I spoke to. She continued to tell me it was cancelled on the 15th. Well first of all, even the Max guy TOLD me that Robert had talked to me, how else would he have known that I agreed to pay the restocking fee? Apparently, customer service was lying to me and telling me that they were cancelling when they really weren't JUST SO I would run out of time.
Now I'm freaking pissed majorly. She wouldn't do anything. She expects me to sit there while they have my system, and not even give my money back? I don't even want the system, I don't want anything to do with them.
I told her their products were complete shit and I wanted my money back. And she kept telling me that it was cancelled the 15th like some freaking robot. And I kept telling her NO It was cancelled on the 12th. I asked to speak to someone else, and she said no one else was there. Out of the entire Alienware customer service, she's the only one sitting there? Bull shit.
She wouldn't listen. And this is where I take action. I told her Alienware will be recieving a call from my attorney by the end of the weekend. I said good luck with your products, because I'm sueing your ass.
And then I hung up on her. I also sent an e-mail to their support and told them they had the rest of the weekend to credit my money, because on monday I would be getting ready to get back my 100% paid price AND more.
Don't buy anything from Alienware, even if you got lucky and got a GOOD computer, send it back. Do not keep it. I'm warning you, these people will LEAVE you stuck with it. They will not help you, and they DON'T care about whether you are satisfied or not. They do not back their products at all. In fact, these people don't know anything about computers at all. They just sit there and read from a manual placed in front of them. Chances are it's probably the same one they sent me with my system. So basically, customer service knows just about as much as you do.
Don't get stuck with the charges of having to send it back and forth. Send that piece of shit to them and demand money back, threaten them with an attorney. And when they tell you they cancel it, check your e-mail inbox to make sure they sent you the e-mail that says it was cancelled ON THAT DAY. If not, call them and tell them they're a lying sack of shit and demand to have it cancelled again.
I wish more people would take action instead of sit there with a broken computer. You can make a difference if you put forth the effort. All companies snap, you just have to pressure them.
Send that shit back. Scream, yell, do whatever you have to, don't let these people have their way with you.
At 1:00 PM,
John said…
I'm John. The Alienware M5500 purchased in December failed the following May, shortly after the warranty period expired. The cause was a short on the mother board. Subsequent efforts to trouble shoot with Alienware tech support cost $130 only to conclude that the diagnosis of the local computer techs was correct. Alienware offered to sell me another motherboard but would offer no adjustment or refund. If the first motherboard was defective by design, how could the replacement be any different? I advise anyone to avoid investing any time or money on Alienware products. I hope Dell is beginning to discover what a liability they acquired as now I will avoid Dell products as well and I've bought about a dozen in recent years. The name of this blog says it all.
At 2:12 PM,
Masterface said…
Dont waste your time and money with alienware! Thats my recomendation to all that are considering buying alienware systems. You'll regret sooo much!
At 2:15 PM,
ascoteton77 said…
Maybe this might help some people...
I actually placed an order for an AW system, based on a recommendation from a friend. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I had to cancel the order before it was shipped. They did this in one 5 minute phone call. I waited TWO days and then sent them an email to confirm the cancellation. Yes, they have canceled the order and it will take 3 to 5 days for the refund (depending on the my bank).
As a result though, I have an email...or at least, something in writing indicating that the order has been canceled. So if something doesn't go through, at least I have it in writing.
When dealing with AW make sure you try to get information in writing and write down your calls. Maybe even who you spoke with. This might help if you have issues...
At 4:59 PM,
Kevin said…
Im kevin and I bought an Area-51m 766 from them also. Quite possibly one of the worst mistakes of my life. I lost valuable days of my life on the phone with the tech support (literally), and having bought the computer in sept '04 I still cannot upgrade the video card. WARNING DO NOT BUY
At 5:00 PM,
Kevin said…
Im kevin and I bought an Area-51m 766 from them also. Quite possibly one of the worst mistakes of my life. I lost valuable days of my life on the phone with the tech support (literally), and having bought the computer in sept '04 I still cannot upgrade the video card. WARNING DO NOT BUY
At 10:10 AM,
rob feature said…
Your story sounds just like mine...7700m has gone awry and the company refuses to honor the on-site warranty. While I don't have time to put the effort into it that you have, I'd at least like to add to the coffers here and testify that, indeed, Alienware does suck the big one! Oh, and the BBB (Miami) has stopped taking complaints for this company because they have stopped responding. Grrrrrr. I guess I'll just swallow the fact that I was screwed, play by their rules, and continue to badmouth them every chance I get...there are no other options left and they're not worth my time and I can't afford a legal battle. And I can't understand their tech support, so I have a GREAT 7700m for sale!
At 11:01 PM,
NickT said…
I can't believe I'm writing this but here goes. After reading this blog, we went ahead anyway and laid out almost $10,000 for the top-of-the line ALX system. It's loaded with the latest.
Right out of the box, the nightmare started. It crashed, or rather would just shutdown within 15 mintes to an hour. Unbelievable!
After weeks of tech support calls, tests, etc etc, it was decided to ship it back for repairs. More weeks have gone by and no one seems to have a clue whats happening to our $10,000 computer.
Never in my life have I encountered such a bizarre and unprofessional company. Fortunately, I'm wealthy enough that I plan to follow the advice on this site to tackle the problem. And that may requure hiring a top Florida litigator to get satisfaction.
As of today, I paid $10,000 last August and its Novemver 22 and I have no computer and am out of pocket a small fortune. And the company cannot tell me what the heck is going on with it. Crazy.
This becomes more than just poor service, its theft and fraud and I'm
not going to stand for it.
At 9:44 AM,
Cinnkitty said…
Trying to get some resolution with Alienware myself. www.pinkpiddypaws.com for more details.
I've never been more frustrated in my life with a customer service department (oh wait - yes I have - Delta Airlines!).
I'm looking at buying a MacBook at this point!
But I'm still trying to get my money back from Alienware. hmph!
At 4:51 PM,
Cinnkitty said…
I followed your advice and received same day contact from TPB at Alienware. Now it's a wait and see attitude! www.pinkpiddypaws.com
At 4:24 PM,
Cinnkitty said…
I don't know why or how I managed to get such FAST resolution - but here's the story! Good luck to you all and I hope you can get the same great follow through I got.
http://pinkpiddypaws.com/2006/12/04/alienware-pulls-through-quickly-and-with-purpose/
At 4:25 AM,
Gregg said…
FYI..having trouble with power supplies, Video cards, etc., etc...I found an interesting facts while exploring limitations and capabilities of my DHS2 system...
1) The DHS2 power supply is rated at 250Watts.
2) For those with the Nvidia 6600LE, minimum manufacture power supply required is 350 watts....see (http://www.ciao.co.uk/Club_3D_GeForce_6600LE__6312235), kind of difficult to find on Nvidia site.
I am now in the process of calculating power comsumption by the components on the DHS-2 system sold to me by Alienware.
Also another interesting item...you may want to visit http://www.ztgroup.com/ and examine the x-6820...interest similarities...wonder who cam up with the box first....
Makes you wonder what kind of engineering is going on at Alienware!
At 4:48 AM,
Gregg said…
FYI....While researching what my recently purchase DHS2 system could really do, I discovered some interesting facts which could potentially explain some of the systems short-comings.
1) The internal power supply of the box it rated at 250 watts. http://reviews.cnet.com/Alienware_DHS_2_Media_Center/4507-3118_7-31232902.html?tag=sub
2) The Nvidia 6600LE graphic card minimum system requirements stipulates 350 watts.
(http://www.ciao.co.uk/Club_3D_GeForce_6600LE__6312235) (it took me a while to find this, for its not publish on the Nvidia site..and we do not get this info from Alienware.
3) ZT group has had a system out there call x6820 for a wile it appears...check out the site ZTgroup.com and you will see what I mean...
I am now examining all components built into the system to assertain the minimum/optimum/maximum power requirements of this system.
This all started when I recieved my system from Alienware without power cord....and upon requesting that one be shipped out...I never got a reply....(could someone inside their unit be wanting to spill the beans if you know what I mean)!
After serveral attempts at obtaining support, and answering repetively serveral customer surveys concerning delivery of the product, I started my reseach....
I am not done....by far...first there are safty issues now...if this system does not have the minimum power requirements to satisfy component draw, things could get hot if you understand my meaning, thus do not leave home with the system powered on is all I have to say on that subject.
I am currently looking for home approves systems for safty and electronical standards prior to selling them to the general public....
I will keep you posted.
At 12:07 PM,
Ted said…
Alienware is a nightmare. My son insisted on buying one. It did not work out of the box. Fearing the worst, I looked on-line and saw all of the dissatisfied users and decided to return it within the 30 days. I even offered to get a new unit if they would reset my 30 day return window to the point when I got a working machine...they would not. Well... they took a 15% restocking fee and say that I did not return the monitor. I am still fighting with them about the monitor. They sent me a shipping tag to return it, and idiot me did not write down the tracking number. No one can locate the monitor. Their customer service is a nightmare, though I feel sorry for the poor soles who have to take all of the angry calls.
At 3:47 PM,
kvolkan said…
HI - interesting Blog. I have both Alienware and Dell computers through my work. I got a high end Alienware desktop about two years ago. The machine failed in the first few days. It was a hard drive and Alienware support was excellent. I talked to people in the US and they were very polite and helpful, sending me a drive out right away. A week later, the motherboard failed. Again I called up Alienware and had the same support guy who gave me his name the previous time. This time he asked me to go through the machine's internals to diagnose the problem. I am very comfortable with this and while inside the computer was very impressed with the build quality of the machine. After diagnosing the problem, I packed the machine back up and sent it back to Alienware. Two weeks later I got it back. Alenware had installed a new upgraded video card for the trouble caused and my lost time - very nice of them! This machine has been my primary work machine since then and has worked flawlessly. I would buy another desktop from them. However, ALL trhe parts in a desktop are easily replacable by the user and parts are easily available from many sources. With regard to Dell we have had Dell's at work for many years and their support sucks bad - I woul dnever willingly buy a dell. On the other hand my old dell laptop (A P3 with 256MB RAM) has worked great for the last 6 years (I wish it would break so I woul dhave an excuse to get a new one!). I was thinking of buying an ALienware laoptop for home, but this BLOG and the other complaints I have read (See CNET customer reviews - CNET rates Alenware a 7.6 while the customers rate them a 3.6) have put me off getting one. I am now (unbelievably) thinking of getting a Macbook pro. Even though Apple wrote the book on crappy support, their computers are very high quality (at least the new ones seem to be doing well).
At 5:50 PM,
kev said…
my cousin,wife and i bought $10000 dollars worth of alienware laptops and they are all defective. after unable to get support they ended up in drawers as expensive junk.i would love to sue these sort of companies that walk all over the consumers without consequence. kevin
At 10:02 AM,
moosho said…
Why hello there.
I just recently bought an Aurora 7700 laptop from Alienware. I've only had one problem, and I have not contacted tech support regarding the issue yet. Reason being that I am a computer tech myself, so calling would be kind of redundant. Regardless, the current problem is a heat issue with my Raid 0 setup (hard drives). There is no fan cooling them and no vent for heat to escape. To provide an example of how hot this area is getting, it melted my XP CD-KEY sticker lying on the bottom of the panel covering the hard drives. This is clearly a VERY bad design flaw.
In my opinion, Alienware has a good bit of work to do on their products.
At 7:45 PM,
karendc said…
They are expensive, the warranty period is very short (30 DAYS), once out of warranty you get treated like a third class citizen. You can buy support, but it isn't worth it. Once they quit making your particular model (REAL SOON) you will be forced to deal with third party vendors for hardware. Technical support at Alienware actually told me that they are not allowed to disclose COMPATIBLE HARDWARE VENDORS! I saw this web site while struggling to see what "upgrade" options I have for my Area 51M 766 notebook: http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/alienwares-new-mj-12-7500-dual-core-workstations/
I tried to post a negative but polite review there, the message said "You did it!", but the message was never sent to my e-mail to validate, and therefore did not post! Really, they don't offer value for the money. I advise to purchase elsewhere. Not going to go into all the problems that I have had to resolve on this machine ON MY OWN.
At 9:20 PM,
chrisda said…
I ordered a $5,000 Area -51 in August of 2006. After retuning the computer twice and replacing the motherboard and video card, at least 12+ hours with tech support and two on site visits, finally in June of 2007, I have a working computer! The computer came without windows installed a well! It's a great machine but plan nearly a year to get a working model!!!
At 9:48 PM,
joblogg said…
hello from australia, thank you for reiterating my intial thoughts when enquirying into Alienware. the website was very well designed and they said all the right things. However, when enquiring by phone and finding the salesman has no enthusiasm to make the sale, and had no comment when i mentioned these computers seemed to be the best around, i second guessed my inital impression. feel lucky that the salesman seemed to prewarn me about the company he even mentioned that he was leaving soon. I guess he felt obligagated personally to offer this subliminal advice. I recommend anyone to approach the company by phone first, if they find an enthusiastic salesman, maybe check how long they have been working there to confirm the enthusiasm, it might be that they are new and have no idea of the length og cmplaints that preceeds and therefore proceeds them. Thanks for the blogg. Much appreciated.
At 1:49 PM,
Nortebella said…
I bought my laptop from Alienware in March, and didnt get it for a month and a half. I was lied too numerous times, shipped wrong parts, and denied inhome support. After reading your blog and one other, and various complaints to Alienware and the BBB, I wrote a letter to President@Alienware.com, and within an hour, I got an email back saying that I would get a full refund from Alienware. I can't tell you how much stress has been lifted off my shoulders. Thank you for your very informative post. I wouldn't have got my money back without it.
At 6:48 PM,
atlbrad said…
My name is Brad and I bought an Aleinware laptop a little over a year ago. After repeated failures, restores, hours wasted with "customer support", and Alienware's refusal to send out the on-site support I paid for, I gave up. I recently purchased an HP and have yet to have a single problem with it. I have successfully talked six people out of buying an Alienware PC and will keep on talking. Alienware may have my $5,000+, but I'll continue to do my best to keep others from throwing their money away.
At 7:56 PM,
Anne said…
Tonight I had to endure yet a another tech support session with Alienware. This has become a rountine. My frustrations fumed after persist issues even after sending computer back twice for repair.
I knew there must others out there experiencing the same neglect and disillusion from alienware techies.
Kudos for the site. Great natural placement on Google. My last question is how can we drive this blog to #1 listing?
At 2:28 PM,
Vandyll said…
Unfortunately, Alienware still sucks. We had problems with the system from pretty much day one, and their technical support answer to everything was reload windows and test the memory.
I am not sure how that was going to fix a dead video card and heat synch, but they insisted every time I called that I needed to reload the machine.
Over the course of a year, the video card was replaced, the heat synch was replaced. The computer still never performed correctly and randomly blue-screened, shut down, or would not boot up.
Right after the warranty expired, the system died completely. When I emailed them, they told me they could no longer offer me any support (even though I had reported issues with it for the past 7 months). Now we have a very expensive paperweight.
Companies that do not stand behind their products in this fashion should be ashamed of themselves. Be warned, buying from Aienware is a crap shoot. And if something does go wrong, consider yourself screwed.
At 10:35 AM,
ikenfixit said…
All I can say is these are over designed and hot boxes to boot. (VRAM Failures, Power issues, Chipset BGA Release problems).. I'd suggest contacting Scott Kamber Or Dana Rubin @ www.kamberedelson.com as I've worked with him regarding Litigation against HP on similar Issues that went well..
He is the real deal!
(Tell Him Ken referred you he'll know the reason).
Good Luck All!
At 6:11 PM,
kaolho said…
My name is Wilson, Thanks for the enlightment on alienware, i live on japan, and i was thinking on purchasing one alienware laptop, but now that i readed 50% of this comments and u`r full post, i wont buy anything from that site :P
At 7:06 PM,
Susie said…
I'm sure glad i found your blog. I WAS considering getting a laptop from them. I'm re-thinking that now.
At 2:12 PM,
Rob said…
I have never purchased an alienware product because i suspected this. I really appreciate the article all the same. I recently had a catastrophic engine failure in a car i purchased that was still under warranty. My calim was denied becuase i could not produce records of oil changes i had done myself. (which legally is not warranty-voiding)
Had i read this blog i probably would not be footing a rebuild.
At 11:12 AM,
Cole said…
This is by far the worst computer I have ever bought. I do feel terribly sorry for the people who have hard drives crashing and everything but my main problem is I spent an excess of 3g on a "gaming computer" that won't even run many of the games on their site. The game in this case being Garry's Mod, better known as gmod, (a mod on the Half Life 2 source code). When I contacted technical support it seemed I knew more about it than they did. I refuse to ever buy a computer from Alienware ever again, and I'm now thinking about buying one from Sager (which doesn't have a Sager Sucks website and/or blog).
At 9:56 PM,
Phaldun Empire said…
Aloha, I purchased this very expensive $5,000.00 computer from Alienware in 2007. It has been a nonstop battle with them over the phone with tech support and sending the laptop back and fourth to them through the mail. The warranty will run out in April of 2010.
I have been wronged greatly by Alienware. It has never worked properly and all I have done for the last three years is trouble-shoot it with them over the phone. I have had to send it back to them at least 10 times. Every single time it has come back, there is either something new wrong with it, or they actually made the computer worse. A constant problem of dead pixels is one problem. No matter how many times they replace the LCD screen, more dead pixles seem to pop up only a week after I get it back. One time they actually replaced the LCD screen with dead pixles with another LCD screen that already had dead pixles in it. Another time they returned the computer with the hard-drive wiped out. They accidentally erased my whole computer and I had very valuable pictures of the first year of my daughter's life on it. Yes I know I should have backed up my files, but the DVD drive on this computer has always had a problem with it and Nero will not work. It errors out most of the time when I try to burn to a DVD using windows. I have always told them of this, but time and time again they forget to replace the part. They never ever completely fix it and there is always more problems.
Even after all of their mistakes and bungles, they refuse to build me a new system. I even told them I would accept a desktop tower. It would be less expensive than the $5,000.00 I paid for the laptop. It probably would also be easier to repair. They have also told me that a refund of my hard earned money is out of the question as well.
What can I do? This is so unfair to me and I deserve better customer service that I have recieved. They sold me a very crappy computer and they have the additute of not really caring or trying to do what is right. I have sent the computer back to them about 10 times. It is obvious that this is a very defective computer at the core and cannot be fixed, unless they have tech repair people that absolutly do not know what they are doing. I dont know what I can do.
I am currently researching Falcon Northwest computers and I am already impressed. I have not been able to find any significant bad reports about them. Is there hope in the battle for a nice computer that works like it should in the world now?
Mahalo for your time, Ian M. Beymer
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